The Job

Nov 24, 2008 at 7:04 AM
I love this movie.

Thanks, Dad, for pointing it out to me.

It lightheartedly discusses a problem that is literally an explosive devisive conflict within the States. You can get into screaming matches about this.

Our laws on the books about immigration and labor are so conflicted, pragmatic, unfair, unkind, and unconstitutional as to be criminal.

And the process that comes about because of this, making people who have come here for a better life HAVE to be illegal for one reason or another, usually ridiculous time delays, is heartbreaking.

I believe that we should go back to our old system: Hop off the boat, get to work, build a life.

Otherwise my ancestors would NEVER have been allowed in.

Besides, the statistics about this say that new bodies of destitute immigrants arrive as an underclass, then become a self-segregated working class, then they saturate with the middle class as the incomes rise and the language barrier dissolves, and will eventually reach the upper class as well. Usually within only a few generations. But it is critical to not hamper the process.

To leave them alone to decide where to live for themselves, and to not give serious restrictions on survival. Such as unpopular and impossible to enforce immigration and labor laws.

All I know about this argument is that no one is happy with the current set-up.

Usually when I have seen someone who is pro-closing-the-Mexican-border, and I ask why (because I love legitimately understanding an alternate viewpoint), it has so far always turned out they are bigoted against hispanics. Or they say that adding more people to a workforce will depress jobs.

And that's antipathetic to how true economic growth occurs. From what I've seen, it never has happened yet, without extreme outside political suppression.

Bigotry and a lack of faith in the human desire to thrive are - neither of them - a good enough reason for setting public policy.

If anyone feels differently on this, please let me know.


  1. In the UK we'll often get adverts for the Green Card lottery, whereby anyone who wants to, and fulfil certain criteria, can apply for citizenship in the US; the Government then effectively pulls a number of applicants out of a hat and sends them off to the Land of the Free. Except that one of the criteria is that the person can't have English as a first language. To me, the whole scheme exists to provide a challenged labour force to take on "underclass" jobs. I'm European, so I'm not sure if that's acceptable from an "American Dream" point of view, but it strikes me as a slightly diabolical twisting of it.

  2. C.S. Perry Says:

    I am not prejudiced against Hispanics, what I am prejudiced against are criminals and that’s what illegal immigrants are. There are in clear violation of the law prima facie and they know it. They take advantage of a system bogged down in idiotic bureaucracy because they know, in all probability, that they will not be prosecuted. It angers me to know that if I commit a crime I, as a tax paying American citizen, will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law yet they can walk around, live, work, drive cars (without insurance) receive welfare, Medicare, send their kids to public school etc. and all the while be in flagrant violation of the Law.
    The real source of my anger over this issue is the fact the ONE hospital in my town shut down their entire pediatric wing. Why? Because illegals would come in for treatment, which the hospital couldn’t legally refuse, then skip out without paying the bill. And why should they? They’re criminals already and what’s one more crime to them when they know that nobody’s coming after them? The nurse who taught a recent class in childcare confided to me that they’re not allowed to tell the press the Real Reason for the shut-down but she did say that it was less expensive to just shut it down and have no questions asked.
    They’re criminals and they should be arrested and deported. They insult every legitimate immigrant who comes here and tries to do the Right Thing by naturalizing legally.
    Sorry for the vitriol but this one gets me upset because I now have to drive my infant son twenty miles to see a doctor.

  3. desi Says:

    Yeah, well, even when I've qualified for government assistance I don't use it. I don't believe in big government. What you're seeing is an abuse of a seroius flaw in our laws. I agree that no illegal should get free medical care and welfare. But I also believe that of all of us. Call me heartless, but I feel that the place to go when you're down and out is to FAMILY, to your own INDUSTRIOUSNESS and to your own sense of SELFWORTH. Welfare states destroy all of those, IMHO. So I simply see this as the colliding of two very overgrown government departments. Problem goes away if the US starts allowing people in and stops paying for things you yourself should be perfectly capable of paying for if you set your mind to it. I'm not saying I want the disabled or those who have suffered from an act of God to flounder, I just don't think it's the government's job to do this. I still feel this is one of the purposes of organized family groups and organized religion.

  4. Grahame Says:

    The area of immigration has become difficult because the simplicity of the old days, when America welcomed newcomers, is gone.

    If you aren't a Native American then you got here via immigration. So immigration is part of what made America what it is today. I think what is being missed in the contemporary arguments is that immigrants are a tremendous resource for the country.

    People come here looking for a better life and if it is made possible to achieve then they are usually willing to work hard for it.

    Yes, you will get some criminals, but they are a small minority. The majority of people who come here want to create a better life for themselves and their kids.

    That's why I came.

  5. Kat Says:

    I definitely see your point, Desi, but I feel what C.S. is saying.

    My husband came here legally and stayed illegally. But he started his own business, worked hard, paid taxes every year to his state and the IRS, paid for his own medical expenses, and all the while paid a lawyer to help him figure out how to get the US. Gov to all him to stay legally.

    I don't like - and that puts it very mildly - that anyone can come from anywhere, and get an education, medical care and welfare, on my tax dollar, without lifting a finger to be productive. I do not think its a majority - honestly living in L.A. most of the hispanic people I see are working their asses off and taking care of their families.

    But just the fact that anyone CAN come here and take advantage... I think that the welfare and free medical would have to go FIRST, before we could just throw the borders open.