Antipsychotic Use in Children gets Bad Marks from FDA

Nov 19, 2008 at 11:57 AM
Check it.

Use of Antipsychotics in Children Is Criticized - rightly.

Did you know that the vast majority of the people we depend on for a safe and happy future, such as soldiers, medicos, even a ridiculously high number of our children, are being drugged out of their gourds? The VAST majority of kids in foster care. How is it even possible that the majority of foster children are crazy while the rest of America's kids are not so crazy? Might it have to do with automatic government dollars?

Consider what kind of person it takes to hand out drugs like candy without physical diagnoses, without long term one-on-one counseling, without checking health, nutrition or environmental factors, and without caring about the eventual UNAVOIDABLE side effects. You stay on one of these drugs long enough, at LEAST one side effect WILL start manifesting.

Disgusting.

And that is one reason I'm so anti-psychiatry. I truly believe that your average Baptist Minister, Scientology Minister, Islamic Imam, Swami, Guru, Mormon Pastor, Sen-tse, Yogi, Catholic Priest, is a thousand times better equipped to help you find order in a chaotic world, to help you find your path, simply because at least each of these people will probably personally know you, will care about the outcome, doesn't stand to profit from your failure, and believes in the human soul, essence, chi, spirit, thetan (however you call it in your religion).

I believe that psychiatry is the anti-religion, the psychiatrist has lost track of his own soul, and those who trust this huge megalocorp of soul-suckers are wayward sheep.

However you want to call it. Drugging away the ability to cope with a problem, bringing a person down to the level of his problems rather than raising him up out of them and helping him tackle them. Is. Disgusting. Intolerable.

11 comments

  1. Tova Darling Says:

    It would be really nice if the "average" spiritual leader were equipped to handle mental illness, but unfortunately, that's hardly the case. Yes, some people are medicated needlessly, but many people who visit counselors and psychiatrists do so because they have a legitimate chemical imbalance in their brains that causes undesirable and unmanageable thoughts and actions. You can't "talk" someone out of clinical depression, obsessive compulsive disorder, bipolar disorder, or schizophrenia any more than you can "talk" someone out of diabetes or high cholesterol. Disorders of the brain are often every bit as treatable as disorders of the body, but like disorders of the body, they often require medication.

    A perfect example of this is a guy I dated for a few years in college. When he was 16, he began to have obsessive thoughts and fears that terrified him and made him much less able to function. His mom took him to the church pastor, who told him that he was gay and that he needed to pray more. This pastor had regular "talking" sessions with him that did nothing more than give him a tremendous amount of shame. As a result, he didn't get up the courage to visit a psychiatrist for his terrifying thoughts until he was 21, and the only reason he did was that his fears were causing him to miss work, and he was in danger of losing his job. The psychiatrist was able to quickly diagnose him with obsessive compulsive disorder, and when he was put on medication, he became a different person - one who could again function in normal society. He did have regular sessions with the psychiatrist to incorporate therapy with his medication, but the medicine was what helped him the most dramatically. Did he have side effects? Yes. Were they worth it considering the fact that he went from being barely able to get out of the bed in the morning to being able to function fully? Absolutely.

    Unfortunately, this idea that psychiatry and psychiatric medication is bad and only for "weak" people who can't cope with their problems is what causes an intense amount of shame and embarassment for people with psychiatric problems.

    I really do appreciate you sharing your opinion, but please do some more research on mental illness.

  2. desi Says:

    Hey Tova, that's a well thought out response. Thanks.

    In response, I can say that I did my research and reached a completely differing opinion. Statistically, what you are saying just doesn't jive. The drugging and psychiatry approach does not - from what I've seen of its effects - actually fix any of the underlying problems.

    And I think it's possible that there is a lot of money out there spreading the disinformation that you've swallowed wholesale. I don't believe in chemical imbalances because as a person with strong religious beliefs, I believe these problems to be entirely a part of the conscious being. Plus, from my research, there is no scientifically valid medical quantitative test that can be performed for those chemical imbalances. Not that says one way or the other whether there is one. Therefore, a psychiatrist cannot diagnose these things without opinion, and thus human error.

    Plus of course I still say it's grounded in a false belief that such things are of the BODY, and not the soul.

    I believe in the soul, and don't think drugs are ever the answer to a mental or spiritual ailment.

    That's just how I roll. I get that you agree with the standard line on these things, but I just don't.

    Thanks for giving me a chance to continue the discourse though.

  3. desi Says:

    Just one more thing. In NO way do I think anyone who is trying to find a solution to a mental problem is weak. And I never said that nor do I think it. I think the evil lies only in the false hope, false solutions.

    Tova mentioned that he became "a whole other person" - and that sounds like walking death to me. I'd rather be a really truly terrified ME than a falsely calm disconnected something else.

  4. Cat Says:

    Interesting conversation here!

  5. Tova Darling Says:

    Thanks for your polite response. :) It's always nice when bloggers can disagree and still be civil.

    I'd just like to address a few of the things you've said:

    The information that I've "swallowed wholesale" comes from a variety of sources, including (but not limited to) my father (who has a PhD in biology and human physiology and who worked for years in research before he began teaching at a major university. The classes he teaches include classes in Biological Psychology and classes in Pseudoscience. I should also point out that he is a devout Christian who also believes in the soul and who teaches an adult Sunday School class at his church), my husband (who has a degree in Neuroscience and who is in his final year of medical school, and who also is a Christian who believes in the soul), and my uncle who is a published and well-respected mental health counselor who has written books on mental health AND religious books (I also had a minor in psychology when I was in school- at a Christian college - and I believe in the soul and have strong Christian religious beliefs). I guess what I'm saying with all of that is that believing in medical science and believing in religion are not mutually exclusive, and most well-educated doctors (both religious and non-religious) will tell you that most mental health disorders are due to a chemical imbalance.

    Secondly, you're right that there are no tests that can be performed on living brains that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they have a chemical imbalance. Are you aware that the same can be said for alzheimer's? Alzheimers is diagnosed based on a patient's symptoms, so it's made based on an educated guess made by a person who is very familiar with the disease. It can only be diagnosed with any type of accuracy after the patient has died, and even still, we can't prove, with 100% accuracy, that the physical signs that are visible in the deceased's brain are what CAUSED the mental deterioration (rather than being caused BY it.) In other words, certain disorders that have to do with the brain (some, but not all, of which are caused by a chemical imbalance) can only be diagnosed by what you might consider a very educated guess. That doesn't mean they don't exist.

    While physicians can't test to determine chemical imbalances in the brain, they can test how certain drugs impact a mental illness by using clinical trials. If several thousand people who have been diagnosed with depression are treated with drugs that are known to raise serotonin levels, and several thousand others are given a placebo, and a higher percentage of those treated with the SSRI's experience relief from depression than do those with the placebo, we can make an educated guess that serotonin levels play some role in depression.

    Apparently, I left myself open to misinterpretation when I said my ex became a "different person." Perhaps I should clarify - having dated him both before and after he took medication for OCD, I can assure you that he did not suddenly aquire a brand new personaility. What made him a different person was that he no longer had to leave work because he was consumed by obsessive thoughts that made it impossible for him to focus on anything else. His real personality was able to shine through more, because he was no longer distracted by thoughts he couldn't control.

    I'm sure that we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one (as neither of us is going to be able to convince the other), but I just wanted to comment further.

    Have a great day, and God bless!

  6. desi Says:

    Yes, sure. Let's agree to disagree.

    But don't get me started about Alzheimer's!

    ;)

  7. Tova Darling Says:

    :)

  8. Kat Says:
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  9. desi Says:

    @Kat I love you babe. You seriously? Were a great find. I should go to more halloween parties more often.

    @Cat I KNOW! This is why I started this blog. I love to converse, to swill thoughts around and see what comes up, and I especially love hearing other people's viewpoints in response. I am so glad there are more people reading and being part of this with me. Finally! I've only been at it for 5 years already. Sheesh.

  10. Kat Says:

    Reinstating my comment. Figured that if I can't be as Zen as you I should just keep my mouth shut, but guess what? I'm not inherently very Zen. Plus just realized that you already replied to it, so here it is:

    Oh good grief. I just can't be as polite.

    There's no such thing as "a legitimate chemical imbalance."
    Prescribing someone psychotropic drugs for something that cannot possibly be tested for, and for which, when looked into, the "clinical trials" are laughable, is just criminal.

    I hold that a person who wants to make themselves better and has no other answers than to take drugs is not doing an intentionally harmful thing - they are trying to help themselves. But to give those drugs to others? Gross.

    Desi, I love your points, and thoughtfulness, and ability to grant someone their opinion all over your blog. And I won't be coming back to these comments to read responses because honestly, it hurts my heart that there are so many people who believe in the lies of the psychiatric industry. Tova can say whatever she wants to, it doesn't change the facts one iota.

    If someone is really, truly interested in a solution for what plagues them - or others - they should read Dianetics and find out for themselves if there is something there which can help.

  11. Cat Says:

    It's all so civil! You don't always see that. I'm going to keep my (highly uneducated) opinions to myself on the matter, but very much enjoyed reading both sides of this issue in the comments here. Keep it up!